Jesus Christ (THE KING) Discussion Forum

Philadelpian · Joined: 25 May 2006 Posts: 173

The love of God for man is never mentioned in the Old Testament.
In psalms his mercy is mentioned propheticly as a look toward Christ,(John 5:39
Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.}
but never love.
The right arm of wrath does not love man.Look what He did to Israel!

Ezekiel 5:1And thou, son of man, take thee a sharp knife, take thee a barber's razor, and cause it to pass upon thine head and upon thy beard: then take thee balances to weigh, and divide the hair.

2Thou shalt burn with fire a third part in the midst of the city, when the days of the siege are fulfilled: and thou shalt take a third part, and smite about it with a knife: and a third part thou shalt scatter in the wind; and I will draw out a sword after them.

3Thou shalt also take thereof a few in number, and bind them in thy skirts.

4Then take of them again, and cast them into the midst of the fire, and burn them in the fire; for thereof shall a fire come forth into all the house of Israel.

5Thus saith the Lord GOD; This is Jerusalem: I have set it in the midst of the nations and countries that are round about her.

6And she hath changed my judgments into wickedness more than the nations, and my statutes more than the countries that are round about her: for they have refused my judgments and my statutes, they have not walked in them.

7Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because ye multiplied more than the nations that are round about you, and have not walked in my statutes, neither have kept my judgments, neither have done according to the judgments of the nations that are round about you;

8Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I, even I, am against thee, and will execute judgments in the midst of thee in the sight of the nations.

9And I will do in thee that which I have not done, and whereunto I will not do any more the like, because of all thine abominations.

10Therefore the fathers shall eat the sons in the midst of thee, and the sons shall eat their fathers; and I will execute judgments in thee, and the whole remnant of thee will I scatter into all the winds.

11Wherefore, as I live, saith the Lord GOD; Surely, because thou hast defiled my sanctuary with all thy detestable things, and with all thine abominations, therefore will I also diminish thee; neither shall mine eye spare, neither will I have any pity.

12A third part of thee shall die with the pestilence, and with famine shall they be consumed in the midst of thee: and a third part shall fall by the sword round about thee; and I will scatter a third part into all the winds, and I will draw out a sword after them.

Is it any wonder the tribes are lost?Our shepherd finds us one by one.

Ezekiel 34:12
As a shepherd seeketh out his flock in the day that he is among his sheep that are scattered; so will I seek out my sheep, and will deliver them out of all places where they have been scattered in the cloudy and dark day.

John 10:14
I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

Romans 8:38For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,

39Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Philadelpian · Joined: 25 May 2006 Posts: 173

Genesis 49: 22Joseph is a fruitful bough, even a fruitful bough by a well; whose branches run over the wall:

23The archers have sorely grieved him, and shot at him, and hated him:

24But his bow abode in strength, and the arms of his hands were made strong by the hands of the mighty God of Jacob; (from thence is the shepherd, the stone of Israel:)

That shepherd is the good shepherd.The true God and saviour.
What did the arm of the Lord do to our shepherd.

Zechariah 13:7
Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is my fellow, saith the LORD of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones.

Christ witnessed Himself that He was the Shepherd.

John 10:11
I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
John 10:14
I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
Mark 14:26And when they had sung an hymn, they went out into the mount of Olives.

27And Jesus saith unto them, All ye shall be offended because of me this night: for it is written, I will smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered.

Christ is the glory of God made manifest to the world through His love for us.To the death!

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Peacetroll · Posted: Feb 14, 2007 6:02am Post subject:

Because the OT spoke of Jesus, but it was not him speaking. Wink

Who was speaking? Messengers. Messengers from either darkness or light.

Peace.

cjt · Joined: 05 Jun 2006 Posts: 85

was there any light before christ came??

8 All whoever came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep do not hear them.

Peacetroll · Posted: Feb 15, 2007 5:37am Post subject:

I don't think so. All that came before him were liars and thieves according to Jesus. Was Jesus speaking of earthy man alone or the messengers from above as well?

I believe both.

What do you think?

cjt · Joined: 05 Jun 2006 Posts: 85

Peacetroll · Posted: Feb 16, 2007 7:29am Post subject:

You got it exactly right (from what I believe to be so).

The true Father had never exposed himself to mankind prior to Jesus. I do believe Abraham knew of him, so did Isaac and Jacob, but all others did not know of him.

We now know him through the flesh/man Jesus. The true Light. Thus we also see Jesus' kindness and mercy, something rarely shown in the scriptures concerning the Old Testament God's judgements.

I believe Jesus is the manifestation of the true God, and thus he has always been and always will be merciful and just.

Well, we do know this, JESUS is that LIGHT.

Peace!

cjt · Joined: 05 Jun 2006 Posts: 85

Peacetroll · Posted: Feb 16, 2007 10:43am Post subject:

Absolutely,

Just like if you could pull the sun down from the sky and sit it beside you for lunch, it would burn the table, the food, the house and even the very earth away (trying to draw somekind of metaphor Embarassed

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John 8
50And I seek not mine own glory: there is one that seeketh and judgeth.

51Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.

52Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death.

53Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself?

54Jesus answered,
If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; ((of whom ye say, that he is your God)):

55Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying.

56Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and ((he saw it,)) and was glad.

57Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?

58Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

59Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

Have a good weekend.

Eric.

cjt · Joined: 05 Jun 2006 Posts: 85

Peacetroll · Posted: Feb 16, 2007 12:10pm Post subject:

2 Peter 1:19-21 (King James Version)
King James Version (KJV)
19We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

20Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

21For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Onward to the new heavens that we know shall be...

2 Peter 3
7But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

8But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

9The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

10But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

12Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

13((Nevertheless)) we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.